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I have visited your site a few times since discovering it in the summer, and have read many of the articles, and it is worth saying what a relief it is to hear intelligent voices discussing a subject that is fraught with misunderstanding. I thought I would take the opportunity to share my own thoughts and our experiences with you all. I think a Taken In Hand relationship is about expressing sexuality, not in an old-fashioned way, but in an honest way. It is not about bullying, but about willing surrender leading to a wonderful release of tension which allows us to be in love. It is not about repression, but about an etiquette in the relationship, about making agreements that help us to live in harmony, where there are no hidden gripes or judgements.